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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 17:40:21 GMT -5
Viol Sensei, in your November 3rd - Johnkyo, you said that we cannot think basic enough. You also said in the last Sogo Study Session, "The basic mind is the most advanced thinking mind." Other than zeroing us on pro-cabulary, how can we get to the basics? How can we best prepare for Session 01? Perhaps Dr. Dunphy, Alex Lanshe, Shari Lewis and I believe there was one more in Ohio who is also in Jokyō who can maybe help answer this? Thank you.
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Post by John Green on Nov 5, 2014 17:49:53 GMT -5
Stop thinking...When the mind is full of thought, you have filled it and it is cluttered...It must be emptied so when thought does arise from the source, you can take direct action. Most people believe repeating the same thought over and over again is thinking..it is not. It is a memory trace. True thought comes from the "Basic Mind" which is emptied, to be filled with creativity.
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Post by NewcombMatthew on Nov 5, 2014 18:56:31 GMT -5
Right on John Green!! There is nothing more basic than no thought but rather pure action. And that is what everyone trains for years to think to, but it eludes them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 13:23:09 GMT -5
So then it comes back to No Preferences? Seishin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 13:55:26 GMT -5
Every time you think you are thinking basic enough, stop, and think again  That was somewhat of a joke but there is also some truth to that statement. I will tell you from experience it is difficult to think basic. The more training we have in our background the more "tainted" we are and the more we tend to attach things like preferences, prejudices and biases. Viol Sensei had us look up kinetics and kinematics for a reason. Start to think that basic; lines and circles. Don't think "Tanbo" or "Hand-to-hand" or "Weaponry". Think line. Think circle. Think geometrically and kinetically. Also, in the beginning, consider all things. Do not rule out anything. All things are possible permutations that may or may not have a martial application. The goal is to discover which permutations have martial applications and which ones don't. To do this, the mind must be empty enough like John Green said to consider all possibilities. This is one of the reason's why Viol Sensei said to question everything. If you find yourself immediately thinking "that can't be done" stop and ask yourself "How am I so certain it cannot be done?" Often you will find that you are not so sure and that will open your mind up to considering whether a thing is possible. Viol Sensei has said this already but I will echo it here: Jokyo is about discovery. You cannot discover if your mind does not "think" basic. You will rule things out too quickly, you will be biased against things because you already "know" everything, etc. This is a common attitude among "arts" martialists. They cannot see the matrix because one, they didn't take Jokyo and two, because they have already closed their mind since they are a "master" and an "expert." I hope some of this helped Kim! Get ready for an incredible journey. I am nowhere even close to the end and already it has been a tremendous path of discovery and sparks. Live in the Battleground, Alex Lanshe |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 15:11:50 GMT -5
Do not rule out anything. All things are possible permutations that may or may not have a martial application. The goal is to discover which permutations have martial applications and which ones don't. To do this, the mind must be empty enough like John Green said to consider all possibilities. This is one of the reason's why Viol Sensei said to question everything. If you find yourself immediately thinking "that can't be done" stop and ask yourself "How am I so certain it cannot be done?" Often you will find that you are not so sure and that will open your mind up to considering whether a thing is possible. Viol Sensei has said this already but I will echo it here: Jokyo is about discovery. You cannot discover if your mind does not "think" basic. You will rule things out too quickly, you will be biased against things because you already "know" everything, etc. Thank you, Alex! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 13:51:28 GMT -5
You are welcome Kim!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 15:26:27 GMT -5
Today as I was explaining my son's Algebra II lesson, I had to stop and all I could do was smile. It dawned on me that just about everything I was saying was what we learned in Session 0. I told him to look at his equations as letters and numbers but as components, generically. Focus on the process, the order of operations that needs to be done, and the rest will fall into place. Trust the process. That's simplicity. That's basic thinking. Thank you, John, Matt and Alex. I appreciate you all reaching out to help me.  |
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Post by NewcombMatthew on Nov 7, 2014 16:43:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 12:33:49 GMT -5
Something Jeffrey Langholtz said in the In Out / Together Apart discussion thread sparked something about thinking 'basic.' He asked about Awareness being able to be moved together and apart. We keep being told to think basic. Awareness, Coordination, Grips have been mentioned as Martial Applications. May I dare say that these are the 'True Basics' we are to think in? In Session 02: Insight, we were given a glimpse into the true basics. They were not kicking, punching, blocking, etc. The true basics were Action, Awareness (good job, Jeffrey!), Coordination, Distancing, Balance, Speed, Timing, Contraction/Relaxation of Power, Endurance, Self-Control. Is this the basic thinking that Viol Sensei has been talking about? Should we consider these as Martial Applications when working the combinations and permutations? Gripping was not on this given list, so does that mean that there are more to consider? Alan Pelletier mentioned in that same thread, "The tanbo is thus the platform for ingesting these concepts that we apply to all things martial." Yes! The tanbo does accomplish all of these true basics. Wasn't sure where to put this comment since it included the other thread, but it was about thinking basic. It's all connected!
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Post by Kevin Hough on Nov 13, 2014 9:41:25 GMT -5
Kim, great tie back to ITP? Agree awareness covers many realms, just need to ensure we stay focused on Martial! Keep sparking us forward!
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Post by NewcombMatthew on Nov 14, 2014 21:05:20 GMT -5
I was talking with Viol Sensei this evening. We were talking about Tanbo grips...the question of what is really happening came up...what about the hand, and how it can / does move...and once again, I had the distinct pleasure of being helped to understand that I was not thinking basic enough.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 8:22:48 GMT -5
What is really happening with the grips, Matt? Does it go back the 'true basics'? I see you used the word 'move'. Does it have to do with true basic of movement?
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Post by NewcombMatthew on Nov 15, 2014 13:51:37 GMT -5
How many ways can a hand move and how can we rep it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 7:52:32 GMT -5
Have you discovered ALL the ways the hand can move yet?
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